Smart Agency Masterclass Podcast with Jason Swenk
Bi-weekly interviews, strategy, and advice for building your marketing agency the smart way.
The popular agency podcast has just turned 12 years old and covers everything from starting a successful agency to selling your agency.
#1 Agency Leadership Podcast. Check Out Our Past Guests.
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Seth Godin
Best selling Author of Purple Cow, This is Marketing, Linchpin, Permission Marketing
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Guy Kawasaki
Guy Kawasaki is the chief evangelist of Canva and former Apple chief evangelist
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Dan Martell
Author of Buy Back Your Time. Influential coach in SaaS startups.
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Gino Wickman
The creator of the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) and author of Traction.
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Neil Patel
Founder of CrazyEgg, Kissmetrics, and other multimillion dollar companies
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Uri Levine
Co-founder of Waze
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Joey Coleman
Recognized for his expertise in customer retention & enhancing client loyalty
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Mike Michaelowicz
Best-selling author of Profit First and Clock Work
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Amy Porterfield
Renowned online marketing expert and educator
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Pat Flynn
The leaders in the podcast space
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Jay Baer
Best Selling author of Talk Triggers, Hug Your Haters, and one of the best speakers
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Todd Herman
Coach to Elite pro athletes, leaders, and public figures
About the Show
The popular agency podcast has been around since 2014 and covers everything from starting a successful agency to selling your agency. What makes this podcast a must-listen is Swenk’s background as the founder and CEO of an agency for over a decade. Swenk brings his own experience to the table, besides the expertise of his guests. He mostly covers topics that help growing agencies scale to the next level.
YOUR HOST
JASON SWENK
Smart Agency Masterclass
Jason is a family man who also happens to have created a couple big marketing agencies, helped thousands of agency owners, and had a big agency exit too.
From Getting Fired to Running a Thriving SEO Agency with Leo Poitevin | Ep #929
Leo Poitevin is the founder of Astrak, a fast-growing SEO agency based in Chiang Mai, Thailand, specializing in the French-speaking market. In just a year and a half, Leo grew his team from one to ten people — a journey that started not with a bold entrepreneurial vision, but with getting let go from a job during his probation period. In this episode, Leo and Jason get into what it really takes to go from freelancer to agency owner, how to reclaim your time as you scale, and the hard lessons of hiring your first salesperson.
How to Remove Yourself as the Bottleneck and Build a Scalable Agency with John Jantsch | Ep #928
John Jantsch is the founder of Duct Tape Marketing, a marketing agency he built over 30 years and the author of the bestselling book Duct Tape Marketing. He has since licensed his systematic marketing methodology to more than 400 agencies, consultants, and fractional CMOs around the world. In this episode, John joins Jason to talk about the hard lessons of removing yourself from the center of your agency, why smaller agencies have a real competitive edge when they lean into being human, and why the fundamentals of marketing haven’t changed, even as AI reshapes the tools we use.
Why Managing to Strengths Beats Managing to Tasks with Laura Lee Jones | Ep #927
Have you been losing good people and telling yourself it is the market, the economy, or bad luck? Maybe you’ve been watching revenue numbers so closely that you forgot to ask whether the profit and the life underneath them were actually working. Today’s featured guest runs a 45-person data-driven healthcare marketing agency she starting building just four days after being fired from an agency job. She’ll get into why she intentionally built her agency thinking about employee happiness and fulfillment, how she evolved from drill sergeant to leader who plays to people's strengths, and what she has learned about staying profitable and mentally steady across three decades of business cycles.
They Ran the Same Agency for 8 Years Without Knowing Who Did What with John Scheer | Ep #926
Have you and your co-founder been stepping on each other's toes for years, not because of conflict, but because nobody ever drew the line between your roles?
Today’s featured guest moved across the country to Santa Monica after his current partner called him and asked him to take a chance on building something of their own instead of “working for the man”. It took eight years of figuring out what not to do, a 360 review that finally split their roles, a niche into healthcare and wellness, and eventually a third partner to unlock what the agency is today. He’ll walk through how the role division changed everything, why going upmarket after 2022 forced a more rigorous kind of work, and what he actually thinks AI is doing to branding.
What Happens When You Build a Team Around Projects Instead of a Vision with Victor Huynh | Ep #925
Have you been hiring people and growing your team without a real plan, only to find yourself with a bigger payroll and a business that still runs through you? Today’s featured guest and his partner started out as graphic designers doing packaging work and then pivoted to web when the real estate crash wiped out their client base overnight. He walks through what it looked like to grow to 25 people without a plan, how the co-founder dynamic actually works after two decades, and why he’s found that, in a partnership, the disagreements are actually the thing keeping the business alive.
Is AI Convincing Your Agency Clients They Don't Need You? with Devon MacDonald | Ep #924
Do your clients show up to calls with AI-generated strategies that are mostly wrong, and you then spend half the engagement correcting their assumptions instead of doing the work? Have you had clients who used to trust your expertise now question everything, armed with a chatbot and a YouTube video?
Today’s featured goes into what AI is actually doing to the client relationship and what it means to train a team that can think rather than one that just produces faster.
Is Your Best Skill Actually Squashing Your Agency's Growth? with Brett Singer | Ep #923
Are you willing to give up the work you built the agency around in order to build the agency itself? Today’s featured guest recounts how he and his partner built their agency after a decade working together at the Oprah Winfrey Show. Fifteen years in, they are still figuring out what the founder job actually is versus what they have always been good at.
He talks through how the transition from doing to leading actually happened, what it cost him creatively and personally to step out of directing, and what he means when he says that making the video was always the easy part.
Stop Waiting for the Right Revenue to Start Living with Dobbin Buck | Ep #922
Have you been telling yourself that once the agency reaches the next level, you will finally take care of yourself? As an agency owner, you shouldn’t be fitting life into your work schedule; instead you should fit work into your life.
Today’s featured guest is not the type of founder who ground his way to success and then learned to slow down. He built the life first and designed the agency around it from early on.
Is Low Agency Overhead Actually a Growth Ceiling? With Billy Scott | Ep #921
Today’s featured guest spent seven years knocking on doors selling dry cleaning before he ever thought about digital marketing. He built his agency to serve home service businesses, ran it solo for three years, and is now in the middle of the transition most agency founders dread: building the systems and the team that let the work happen without him in the room.
In this conversation, he and Jason work through the Evolution Framework, what the door-to-door years gave him that no formal sales training could, and what the next move looks like from the manager stage.
Is the Digital Agency Model Broken, or Are We Just Calling It the Wrong Thing? With Brent Weaver | Ep #920
Are you running an AI-first agency and telling yourself you have made the shift, when what you have actually done is give everyone on your team a faster version of the same job? After months of AI training, are you wondering why the team still works the same way it always did? Today’s featured guest currently serves a CEO of a white label agency serving over 400 partner agencies worldwide. He came into the role specifically to go deep on AI, and what he found was not an upgrade to the existing model. It was a fundamentally different model.